tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-877753385801022805.post203580141683729495..comments2024-02-26T03:01:28.791-08:00Comments on Wildomar Rap: • Planning Commission Meeting June 2017Joseph Morabitohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16685853728078949253noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-877753385801022805.post-91659238320545634992017-06-24T11:04:15.371-07:002017-06-24T11:04:15.371-07:00Actually I asked because I couldn't clearly he...Actually I asked because I couldn't clearly hear the question and answer either on your video or at the meeting. My usual seat was reserved by the developer. So bite me. I'll wait for the audio from the city to see what was said.Kenny Mayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08065933893548235242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-877753385801022805.post-54543660221716072562017-06-24T07:00:02.419-07:002017-06-24T07:00:02.419-07:00This is where your credibility takes its usual hit...This is where your credibility takes its usual hit. Either you know that it was an off the cuff question that Langworthy put to them on the spot, that wasn't part of the meeting and are pretending otherwise in attempts to garner worthless points... or you actually think that having that type of information at hand is expected. <br /><br />We both know, and the video reveals, that Dan York said he didn't have that number, but there you are looking to make an issue out of something (the number of parcels) that wasn't the point in the first place. The point was how many don't match on the GP and Zoning Map.<br /><br />The other option is that my assumption that it was "total parcels in town" was erroneous, and that means your further research was done on nothing more than supposition based on supposition. <br /><br />If you could ever get out of your "gotcha" mentality, you'd possibly develop into an asset for this town.Joseph Morabitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16685853728078949253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-877753385801022805.post-47494216544933855982017-06-24T06:45:15.092-07:002017-06-24T06:45:15.092-07:00That's interesting as there are 12,902 total p...That's interesting as there are 12,902 total parcels that either pay the Measure Z Parcel tax or are exempt from the tax listed in the Measure Z Parcel Tax Report. Kenny Mayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08065933893548235242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-877753385801022805.post-23770443031213722162017-06-23T11:27:13.467-07:002017-06-23T11:27:13.467-07:00I just wish that blogger allowed links to be activ...I just wish that blogger allowed links to be active links, and with thumbnails too. Joseph Morabitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16685853728078949253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-877753385801022805.post-58656634519009412692017-06-23T01:55:51.735-07:002017-06-23T01:55:51.735-07:00And if this project was being proposed for that ar...And if this project was being proposed for that area of our city I would not think it was a good fit. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12898734883654972625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-877753385801022805.post-80381491109412940782017-06-23T01:38:58.469-07:002017-06-23T01:38:58.469-07:00An oldie but a goodie. https://www.youtube.com/wa...An oldie but a goodie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlegfmOlu04<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12898734883654972625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-877753385801022805.post-55886461902065331592017-06-23T01:37:06.476-07:002017-06-23T01:37:06.476-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12898734883654972625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-877753385801022805.post-65004277398166662032017-06-23T01:24:34.209-07:002017-06-23T01:24:34.209-07:00Good old Ken. Always ready with a non-sequitor. Good old Ken. Always ready with a non-sequitor. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12898734883654972625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-877753385801022805.post-28678365852686039362017-06-22T22:29:53.778-07:002017-06-22T22:29:53.778-07:00I took it to be total parcels in town. I took it to be total parcels in town. Joseph Morabitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16685853728078949253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-877753385801022805.post-41396637966465739822017-06-22T22:26:12.716-07:002017-06-22T22:26:12.716-07:00Good old Sheila, if they decided to pave Lost Rd. ...Good old Sheila, if they decided to pave Lost Rd. we would hear you scream bloody murder. <br />Joseph I have a question about the number of parcels in wildomar, Mr. York with Mr. Bassi agreeing came up with the number about 4,000 at around 1:36 in the 4th video. Was that total parcels or undeveloped parcels.Kenny Mayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08065933893548235242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-877753385801022805.post-62719399248477471542017-06-22T20:46:51.017-07:002017-06-22T20:46:51.017-07:00When you're, right you're right.
Though ...When you're, right you're right. <br /><br />Though I will say that some of the key Wildomar players are are from the area near Marna O'Brien park and is as "rural" as it gets in town. Joseph Morabitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16685853728078949253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-877753385801022805.post-50507359495547820032017-06-22T20:26:21.533-07:002017-06-22T20:26:21.533-07:00It is amusing to see so many tract housing dweller...It is amusing to see so many tract housing dwellers crying to keep wildomar rural. Do they not realize that living in tract housing mean that they are not living rural? Much of the arguing against this project(that I have heard so far) is emotional, nimby and a bit hypocritical. The hypocrisy is from those Murrieta residents who all of a sudden care about wildomar or overbuilding. I wonder if they packed their city meetings to protest projects such as this in their city? I bet not. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12898734883654972625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-877753385801022805.post-53892643606454317122017-06-22T20:19:45.207-07:002017-06-22T20:19:45.207-07:00Agreed.Agreed.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12898734883654972625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-877753385801022805.post-44519671866322831042017-06-22T20:12:43.478-07:002017-06-22T20:12:43.478-07:00"What one thing that I spoke to would be slan..."What one thing that I spoke to would be slanderous or balderdash?"<br /><br />The following is from the comment left above.<br />"It appears that last nights planning commissioners decision was not predicated on emotion, but on dollar signs."<br /><br />If that doesn't mean 'votes were traded for money', which I'm telling you is libelous if untrue, then what were you suggesting by it?<br /><br />We have strict laws to protect the community from crooked political appointees or elected officials. If you have something you'd like to report, I suggest you report it to the proper authorities.<br /><br />As to whether you're hiding your identity or not I really don't mind when people choose to be anonymous when they leave comments. I can respect that. What I don't respect is when the comments turn to vicious accusations, even if only delivered in an oblique way. Joseph Morabitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16685853728078949253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-877753385801022805.post-33665736137519977912017-06-22T20:05:02.263-07:002017-06-22T20:05:02.263-07:00When I first joined Nextdoor it was basically a gh...When I first joined Nextdoor it was basically a ghost town. At some point they started allowing you to see what other local neighborhoods are discussing. I'm not sure how they draw the lines, but I don't think I've been offered seeing things in Lake Elsinore, but have seen the neighborhoods that directly border Wildomar in Murrieta. <br /><br />Though there is some valuable info about what business to recommend etc, I've found that it's just another place to whine about things that people don't even have half the information on the topic they are discussing. Joseph Morabitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16685853728078949253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-877753385801022805.post-30285965849704437362017-06-22T19:52:54.733-07:002017-06-22T19:52:54.733-07:00I don't know. Where do you live. I think the...I don't know. Where do you live. I think there are a few surrounding areas that are included for convenience. 2conservativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06078579347454235120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-877753385801022805.post-12581584879016715992017-06-22T19:11:15.010-07:002017-06-22T19:11:15.010-07:00Isn't the point of next door to be neighborhoo...Isn't the point of next door to be neighborhood focused? I guess then I can join a neighborhood on next door for a city I don't even live in? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12898734883654972625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-877753385801022805.post-61037036756033289752017-06-22T18:54:56.463-07:002017-06-22T18:54:56.463-07:00That means that only 17 people in your area have s...That means that only 17 people in your area have signed on. Maybe someone can come on here and tell you how to read surrounding area posts.2conservativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06078579347454235120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-877753385801022805.post-7737625723240546212017-06-22T18:50:59.465-07:002017-06-22T18:50:59.465-07:00It is not a scandalous accusation to say that the ...It is not a scandalous accusation to say that the planning commissions decision was based on money, What do you think their decision was based on. Wasn't it you who asked for the commissioners to make known what their decision was based on? Only the two that voted no gave any type of reason, actually they gave really good reasons. I believe that the council members who voted to send the agenda items on to the city council probably based their decision on revenue for the city, and favor working with a long standing developers facilitator like Markham but it really does not matter if it ends up being a bad decision. Everything is not all about the money.<br /><br />There is an area on Western Avenue in San Pedro/Rolling Hills area that there were barracks built to house military in the immediate area many years ago also a housing track for the same purpose. After our government shut down these nearby bases these places sat unoccupied for decades. The barracks ended up being section 8 housing and the housing track was occupied for decades with free rent for locals to keep a presence in the area. Both areas have been like slum project housing for decades. Just recently the track houses have all been torn out and $600,000.00+ starter homes are being built in the area because the property is valuable. What I am trying to say is if this development does not sell and becomes stagnant because of pricing it will likely become REIT's and have nothing but rentals or section 8 housing. It is not like the Camelia Project developers care, either way they will be getting their money out of it, but Wildomar might be stuck with something much worse than empty land. <br /><br />Maybe Markham is really good at putting together investors, developers, builders and city officials for these types of developments, but this particular one in my opinion has no merit and is a bad fit. <br />What one thing that I spoke to would be slanderous or balderdash? <br />I am not hiding my identity exactly you would know me by my writing style like I would know you by your sarcasm and wit.2conservativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06078579347454235120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-877753385801022805.post-16922507128274578702017-06-22T18:44:05.469-07:002017-06-22T18:44:05.469-07:00You mention the next door ap frequently. I went o...You mention the next door ap frequently. I went on once and because of where I live there was a whopping 17 people in my "neighborhood". Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12898734883654972625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-877753385801022805.post-78187468585354901842017-06-22T17:11:53.553-07:002017-06-22T17:11:53.553-07:00Mr. No Name,
You make some solid points and all de...Mr. No Name,<br />You make some solid points and all deserve to be answered by the people we've put in power. I certainly wouldn't have such answers, but would be interested in hearing them just as you are.<br /><br />"The highlight of the night was when Veronica Langworthy applauded the architect for changing the facade of the barrack like buildings to give it a country feel to match the development on Clinton Keith and Palomar which is now called "the barn"."<br /><br />I thought that was pretty pathetic myself. Talk about rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.<br /><br />"I made one of those snarky comments that you posted and I stand by my remarks. I have a right to my opinion and stating it. Some actions of the commissioners were disrespectful of the residents of Wildomar."<br /><br />You have the advantage here, you know who I am and what it is I've said. If you think that being gruff is the better path to the resolution you want, then stay on that path. I guess we'll both find out in due course.<br /><br />You'd have to point out to the actions that you're referring to. It's pretty obvious from the way I write that I have no problem calling a spade a spade and if they were over the line, I'd be the first to agree. <br /><br />"I don't believe that the decision by our Planning Commission or City Council will be determined by the angry outbursts of the Grizzly Ridge residents. It appears that last nights planning commissioners decision was not predicated on emotion, but on dollar signs."<br /><br />Ok, but if that's the case, someone needs to be on the horn to the DA. Those are very scandalous accusations. What you are implying is a felonious action. If our planning commissioners are on the take, I want them tried, convicted and put in jail. Even if it's the venerable Stan Smith.<br /><br />Thing is, that is nothing more than slanderous balderdash. No wonder why you chose to be anonymous. Joseph Morabitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16685853728078949253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-877753385801022805.post-87722182384236824922017-06-22T16:55:55.702-07:002017-06-22T16:55:55.702-07:00My thoughts on the whole process. When you buy a ...My thoughts on the whole process. When you buy a property you ask your real estate agent what is the zoning around my property, what is the rating for schools, what is the crime rate, are there flood plains, etc. My husband and I have purchased a number of properties and never have we been told ignore the zoning map because the city has a General Plan Map (their bible)they use that is in complete opposition with the zoning map.<br /><br />While the Planning Commission and City Council state that the General Map Plan is their bible only they and the developers know it even exists. When I discussed it with my city council representative she said she and a committee worked hard to change the General Plan Map for Wildomar to maintain a rural atmosphere. I guess if you remove all rural residential zoning and replace it with low, medium, medium-high, high, higher, commercial and mixed use designations you think that you have done the residents who were promised a rural atmosphere a favor. <br /><br />How does Wildomar have a General Map Plan that was adopted from Riverside in 2008 but then revised by them. Were the revisions adopted at a later date? <br /><br />Why did the new city of Wildomar put together a commission of residents to create a Strategic Vision Plan which was of a rural community, but now that has been abandoned and replaced with a semi-rural feel. <br /><br />No one is uninformed enough to believe that Wildomar will not have residential communities, commercial development and so forth, we all accept that, it is what will create revenue for our city. <br /><br />Did our city council and planning commission commit to the listen to the opinions of our residents and actually consider them? Two committed and listened. <br /><br />I made one of those snarky comments that you posted and I stand by my remarks. I have a right to my opinion and stating it. Some actions of the commissioners were disrespectful of the residents of Wildomar.<br /><br />Negatively commenting on the reactions of the Grizzly Ridge residents is your choice. I can only hope that you are never put in their position. Actually, a few of those residents said that if they did build 1/2 rural residential homes on the property next to them they would consider buying one. It would be prime property for speculation homes with great vistas. Empathy is not a negative feeling.<br /><br />I don't believe that the decision by our Planning Commission or City Council will be determined by the angry outbursts of the Grizzly Ridge residents. It appears that last nights planning commissioners decision was not predicated on emotion, but on dollar signs. <br /><br />It is better to make no decision than to make a bad decision that will effect a whole community.<br /><br />The highlight of the night was when Veronica Langworthy applauded the architect for changing the facade of the barrack like buildings to give it a country feel to match the development on Clinton Keith and Palomar which is now called "the barn". It dawned on me this is what our Planning Commission and City Council were talking about when they said that this developer was following the city leaders advice in keeping the appearance of Wildomar country. Square dancing anyone?2conservativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06078579347454235120noreply@blogger.com