Thursday, January 15, 2015

• As The FaceBook Drama Turns

Time for another installment of Needless FaceBook Drama in li'l ol' WillyMar.

As some of you know, I write a blog called Wildomar Rap. Aren't I the master of the obvious? :)

I started writing this blog in 2013 only a few weeks after saying, "only a great fool would write a local blog..." uh oh... if the shoe fits I must be Cinderella.

For those that have seen most of my blogs you know that I recap as much of what goes on in Wildomar as I can, at least the things that I'm aware of. A lot of focus is on City Hall, City Council meetings, Planning Commission meetings, citywide events, more localized events, Parks, local businesses like DeJong's Dairy, community profiles like the one on Ashley Fox, last year's City Council elections and the like.

I would never have taken on such an endeavor had it not been for the local Wildomar FaceBook pages, and getting to know many members of our community. However, I being of the Aspergers persuasion, I tend to be too honest and see things in black and white at first blush... and by June of 2014 I chose to disengage from those sites since I have a difficult time understanding people's attempts at subtle sarcasm. Though I miss the Wildomar FaceBook pages at times, I do NOT miss the silly drama that goes on there.


Good fences make good neighbors, and FaceBook tends to remove the fences. Then we start to see more of our neighbors than we want to. Then the veneer of  new "friendships" we've made start to show wear and tear quickly.

Many people, most people, keep it in check and go with the flow, not taking any of it seriously. It's just a diversion... as it should be. Yet others make it their avocation, and end up making a mess of things for themselves and others.

Though I left those groups, my wife Grace has remained in them. She likes to post links to my blogs... and I like it that she does since it gives more people a chance to see them. All goes well when she posts the links at the various groups in question except for one called WILDOMAR FRIENDS AND COMMUNITY (WFAC).

Without getting into the minutia, I met the owner of that group back in 2013. He lives around the corner from me and I had many pleasant encounters with him. One time he had troubles at the local vet and I went down there when he put out a call for help. Another time, on a hot August night, we both made a midnight walk around Windsong with our dogs, and he pointed out to me where several infamous Wildomarians lived. A few days later I gave him a bag of homegrown grapes.

All was well until one Friday night when some FaceBook drama got underway. He was going after Martha Bridges based on something she had said at The Patch. I thought it was unfair and actually defended her, as did the assistant admin of that group Michelle Swann. Before that night was over, he'd blocked me and had quit that group.

I suggest that is the real rub of why he won't allow reference to Wildomar Rap in his group. He says this blog is controversial... ok, I'll accept that. But who is it controversial to? Those that sue the city and don't like me pointing out how detrimental they are to us all?

WFAC has more than 2600 members in his group, yet he doesn't want them to have easy access to timely news that comes in Wildomar Rap. Hey, I get that. It's his ball, and he can pick it up and take it home with him whenever he wants to. He gets to make the rules, no matter how inconsistent and slanted they become.

So that brings us to today. The thread is included below, current up till the last time my wife looked at it. After she had left it for a few moments, Sheila Urlaub, one of the two Admins at Wildomar's other main FaceBook group, had posted a comment in support of Wildomar Rap.

"...we allow it [Wildomar Rap] on wildomar group and that difference of opinion is not divisive."

In a matter of moments the entire thread was gone, and Sheila was blocked from that group.

And you wonder why I continue to eschew the local FaceBook groups?



I've never done a "Hey Like My Page" campaign. If you want to like it, so that you can be informed of things going on here, then by all means, like it. But I have never been one to go in for fake internet stats, and I don't see the point in a ton of fake likes. At this point, without ever asking for people to "like" it, it's slowly climbed to over 230 likes. Thanks to those of you that are interested.

Though I don't use the local groups myself anymore, I can suggest the two that I'm aware of, though there are probably a dozen more out there too.

First is one simply known as Wildomar that has about 1500 members, including many of the city officials (here's the link).

The second is called Wildomar Neighbors, with only about 150 members and many of those are in the first one (here's the link).

I'm sure that WFAC serves a great purpose, but I can't see the point of it since every other thread seems to get deleted once it starts to get "controversial" and any good thread ALWAYS goes that way. It's the nature of the beast.

So what was the point of this blog? Well, another of my Aspie traits is a highly tuned sense of right and wrong/fairness. When I was told that Sheila Urlaub was removed from that group because of defending this blog, after finishing rolling my eyes and shaking my head, I thought it shouldn't simply fly under the radar. She is a good and fair person that anyone would be glad to have as a friend.

"Oh no" she speaks her mind and won't back down when she's in the right or you are dodging basic questions about a subject you brought up. Such a crime these days, and especially in that group.

Without further ado...

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Someone's image was in the screen capture and I was asked to remove it. So that I don't have to do this more than once, I pixelated all the rest of the faces and names too. This really becoming a boring topic... glad so many are so easily entertained.

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UPDATE 4.0
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Ok, so now I was told that the image I used was mean. I'm not in any of the threads, but was told that by using a very famous, and easy to find image of a kid making a silly face, I was defaming people with Down's Syndrome. The lengths people will go to try and make a point. People, that is flat out silly, but I'm not here to throw gas on the embers. I've now switched the image to a very banal drawing of a girl. Let's hope that's the end of it.

Next my wife will be wanting to be blurred, pixelated or changed to one of the Disney Princesses I'll bet.




This came after several links to blogs had been deleted over the past week plus. Topics like Baxter Village, the recent Greenwaste Cleanup event, and an update about Walmart. As you can see from those that posted, they didn't want to have the links censored. They wanted to decide for themselves if the content was too controversial or not.

I'm sure that my wife will get tossed out of that group after this blog gets uploaded. C'est la vie.

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UPDATES 1.0
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It's just been learned that Sheila Urlaub wasn't permanently banned, just givin a three day "time out".

But, as expected, Grace Morabito was banned from his group... and also personally blocked by him. Atta boy Mr. 44 year old, way to show her, and I bet that'll keep any of the rest of your flock at WFAC from daring to talk back to you too.

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UPDATES 3.0
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I've grown tired of this topic and now the comments are going to moderation, which means that most likely they'll never see the light of day so save it. Also, Because I've had people tell me what a bad guy I am... I'll post a screenshot I had a year ago to show that my blogs WERE permissible, and that there was a friendship, of sorts, between WR and WFAC.

You'll notice that the first of WR blogs that were posted to WFAC were NOT posted by me, and a de facto invite to post more was established.

You'll see that I was in the group, for about a week, before I had to hit the eject button. I remember what it was about... a friend of mine was having his very good name dragged through the mud by none other than the founder of WFAC... again, without cause or justification.



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Conflict is drama, and how people deal with conflict shows you the kind of people they are. 
- Stephen Moyer

94 comments:

  1. Hi, Joe. I share your disappointment. I too, was adios'd from Kevin's group a long time ago. I can't remember his reason, but I imagine it was because he didn't understand my sense of humor. Didn't matter much, because Kev's group was more self centered around Kevin, than Wildomar, in my opinion.

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    1. I tend to agree with that group being centered around the founder. He seems to have a bit of Jim Jones in him... so if he's ever ladeling out koolaid I'd consider passing it up.

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    2. Maybe Ryan should apologize to Kevin and go back to that group?

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    3. Eh, Kevin is just looking for headpats. There are many great groups. Try the Wildomar one run by Michelle and Sheila. They're honest and not afraid of a good debate. The only debating allowed on WFAC is "How great is Kevin, doesn't he look like Fabio today?". LOL

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  2. Though, recently, I was deleted from the Wildomar group by Sheila, your good friend. I think for the same reason. I have been hoping she will give me a another chance to have a voice on her Wilomar page. All the Facebook pages need SOME comedy, just like your blog.

    Please except my apology, Sheila.



    To you, Joseph, your blog inspired me to get out and attend the city council meeting. I’ll never miss another. The Mr. Mayes and Ms. Miller show, are not to be missed.

    P.S. Please ask your friend, Sheila, to allow me back to her group. Her group helps me and the family, stay up on what’s happening in our city.


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    1. There is a planning commission meeting next Wednesday, and Walmart will be a feature topic. If you go to it, which I suggest getting there early to get a seat with that on the agenda, then look for me and I'll look for you. It'd be good to meet you.

      Re: facebook comedy.
      I know that I've had a difficult time understanding people's sense of humor when it's written, and once I know a person it's easier to get their posts. I had a few run ins with Doug Ames, then met him and understood that his a good guy that has distinct sense of humor. Now when I read what he writes I understand where it's coming from. In short, people -including me- need to stop taking everything so seriously... though it's a tall order for me at times.

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    2. I will be at the Walmart meeting too. I was at the last one, unlike a lot of people. Sheila

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  3. Every fb group has rules. The most important one most often seen is the general "be nice to each other". Comments that may be funny with friends can often be perceived as hurtful or tasteless or juvenile when posted in large groups on Facebook. That detracts from the community building goal of most fb groups, at least that I belong to. There are many groups with no such rules for people who want that sort of fb group experience. Kevin has every right to boot me, i respect his rules and often when people have questions about controversial issues i have pm'd them so as to avoid seeming to attack the cantankerotti that he seems to like.I just think it is hilarious that it was for expressing support of a local blog that is such a supporter of so many good things going on in town. I often disagree with Joseph's views on things, but he is much less biased than 3 others that write about wildomar and only ever seem to complain about everything. It also helps to read him because I can't always make it to the city meetings and having attended many in the past couple of years I like hearing what happened. Sheila

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    1. Sheila,
      As a friend and all, how about allowing Ryan back into your group? If the mighty KJ can reduce your sentence to 3 days in the belly of a whale, then perhaps you can grant parole to the Wildomar Stop Sign too... or is that his brother? Either way...

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    2. Mr. Morabito, I insist you delete my photograph and any name association that congress with it from your blog. You do not have my permission to distribute my picture, name or statememts . you are in violation of copyright. Please take it down asap. Thank you

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    3. What photograph is that Ms. Whitten?

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  4. Apology accepted, and you're forgiven.

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  5. Thank you for your input Joseph.

    I've posted the following on the WFAC page.

    Be well.

    - Kevin J Sax WFAC/ Admin

    Kevin Jon Sax‎ --> WILDOMAR FRIENDS AND COMMUNITY (WFAC)
    3 mins ·

    Any suggestions on how we can improve this page?
    A local blogger publicly expressed his discontent for how this page is managed as well as my character as a person.
    Please post suggestions below. All comments will be read. Thanks!

    - Kevin / WFAC Admin

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    1. Proverbs 15:1 A gentle answer turns away wrath...
      Kevin, thanks for your comment. Despite our differences, we always maintain civility and are able to chat when we meet up. Hope you have a good day and weekend too.

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    2. Kevin to be fare your character basicaly attacks itself for those that have had runins with you.

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  6. Well at least you guys aren't blocked for good :(
    Freedom of speech... not on Facebook :/

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  7. Groups are allowed to have rules. I am fine with that. See my comments above. Sheila.

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  8. The wildomar/lake Elsinore speak your mind group is great. Almost no rules - just no selling stuff.

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    1. I've been to that group a couple of times, and it can be a bumpy ride but serves a good person for those with thick skin.


      Here is a link to Wildomar/Lake Elsinore Speak Your Mind.

      https://www.facebook.com/groups/650361001708488/

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    2. Ryan, as you know, I have championed your cause more than once. As the other admin in the Wildomar group, I COULD add you back, but that would cause unwanted friction between me and Sheila. You wouldn't want to see Wildomar become Michelle-Sheila-centric, would you? ;-)

      In any case, I did forward your apology to Sheila, and you have obviously made a very public apology here as well. Kudos to you for your balls.... errrrrr.... nerve. I hope you don't mind, but in a (VERY RECENT) conversation with Sheila, I likened you to a St. Bernard puppy - you're young and energetic, and sometimes people just see a slobbering puppy when really he's just having fun. (If you find that offensive, please ask Joseph - not Joe! LOL - to delete my comments :D. )

      -Michelle

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    3. Apologies don't mean anything when the person making them has said the same sort of thing in the past and yet continues to post unkind things in an attempt at humor. The purpose of the Wildomar fb group is to bring people together to share info, questions, and get to know others in the community. It is not a place for snark. Michelle has also booted people for comments they have made that offended her and did not offend me. Most admins I talk to struggle with this. I do not like censoring but just being rude to get a laugh when someone posts about finding a dead pet in the road and the person wants to find the owner is not OK. Or when people post constantly to find a pregnant housekeeper and ask every house cleaning person who posts looking for customers if she is pregnant is not okay in a large group with people who are in the group to feel more a part of their community. Fortunately there are a ton of wildomar fb groups! Sheila

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  9. Joseph,
    I've received many comments. There were many compliments (which were appreciated), but some indicated WFAC has a censorship issue. If I had created the page to allow people to attack each other, whine, create strife, etc., then everything would be allowed. But it wasn't created for that purpose. I would allow endorsing your Wildomar Rap page on the Facebook WFAC page if your blogging was (forgive me) more friendly. Wildomar Rap attacks people and creates an environment to anger people and make them feel bad. A funny irony to all this, is, you and I both want what's best for Wildomar, but I personally want what's best for everyone personally. I have a genuine care for people, with exception of those people who need to be trouble makers. I hope I've done a full 180 from my old ways- it was a miserable way to be- and I hold remorse for it. Last, Grace and Sheila are not permanently banned nor personally blocked from me. It's only temporary. I'm just trying to get a breather for a couple days.. Please understand? Thanks.

    Kevin J Sax

    ps: I'm baffled by one thing (maybe you can help?) -- if people do not like me or the page, why be on it? No one is forced to be on the WFAC. There's plenty of other forums. . I tried to get back on a former page wildomar page I created, but the admins did not approve my request to join.... twice. That's okay. I respect their wishes. I merely wanted to join to show support.

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    1. Kevin, that is patently untrue. I *asked* you back on several occasions, and I added you back in almost as soon as the request came through. You were a member for a short while, but I don't remember why you left.

      As far as a second request, I don't remember seeing that come through. You have never been unwelcome.

      -Michelle

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    2. BTW Kevin disagreement is not dislike. And you know very well that I have made a point of not discussing things in threads and have pm'd people to speak candidly. I do this out of respect for you. But sometimes friends will disagree. Or people will debate. That is part of life. I support wildomar rap. I do not support the people who file lawsuits or the blogs who do nothing but complain. They are toxic to this city. Joseph is not. Even when I disagree with him on issues he is fair. Sheila

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    3. Kevin,
      I agree that some of my blogs, especially the ones during the election season, were very pointed against those that sue the city. I use terms like Cantankerotti, and I also turned AIP ( Alliance for Intelligent Planning) into APEs... because those people deserve ALL the derision they can have heaped onto them.

      When those topics are being blogged about, I certainly understand why you wouldn't want it at your site. But things like the Greenwaste Cleanup or the Baxter Village project? If you go back and read that blog, the only thing that isn't 'peaches and cream' is when I make light of those that speed on Baxter and then fly down that dirt road.

      I can't imagine why any of us would approve of such dangerous actions. My plan is to blog about business like Old Market Grill, the new Waba Grill, Plow Boys, Animal Friends of the Valley, and the like.

      "Wildomar Rap attacks people and creates an environment to anger people and make them feel bad." That is true, but not done out of spite, it's done when a person willfully begs for it with their actions. I do not see the value in papering over a person's maliciousness when they choose to inflict it onto the rest of us. No free passes from me.

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  10. Please feel free to post your blog in Wildomar/Lake Elsinore speak your mind. I've been booted and censored by the thought police plenty of times. We don't have a lotof rules. NO TROLLING, NO SPAM, AND NO ADVERTISING.

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    1. Thanks Robert, I'll add that group to the list. I see that the group has nearly 500 members. That's a pretty good showing. I just need to remember when going there to wear my 'big boy' pants and not be so thin skinned. :)

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  11. https://m.facebook.com/groups/650361001708488?ref=m_notif&notif_t=group_comment_reply

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    1. Rob,
      I like visiting your page.
      It's a little crazy sometimes, but it's clear people like to release.

      Sorry I don't comment more on there, but I don't have a whole lot
      to complain about.

      Grats on how fast your page is growing!

      Kevin Sax

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    2. The craziness can be fun. I welcome all points of views.

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  12. Kevin has a bit of a messiah complex. It's a great group in that so many Wildomar peeps are on it, but his management leaves so much to be desired. Even a TINGE of conflict and he shuts it down. I rarely see any of this conflict since he polices it like it's his raison d'etre. It's a shame. It has great possibilities...but one can only take so many long haired selfies and vegan talk.

    Giving 3-day time outs? Really? He takes it WAY too seriously. But hey, it gives him a reason to wake up in the morning.

    It's Kevin's page. So you deal with it or leave.

    And I'm posting as anonymous so I don't get booted as well.

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    1. Dear Anonymous,
      Are you frequenting my personal wall? Why?
      Thanks,
      Kevin

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  13. I have a great idea for people who get offended by words or certain points of of views. GET OVER IT or IGNORE IT! Put on your big boy and girl pants. "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me".

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    1. Funny... I actually responded to you above, and used the term "big boy" pants about me when visiting Wildomar/Lake Elsinore speak your mind, and hadn't seen your reference about it here yet.

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    2. Mr. Garza shouldn't your words be directed at Mr. Sax?

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  14. I've been blocked by a group and people who I thought were my friend.... i don't get it and I just don't care...there's more important things to worry about in life.

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  15. In the midst of all this Facebook drama(by grown ups?) I want to congratulate Joseph on his use of the word "eschew" ! Hopefully not too many people had to look up the meaning.

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  16. Thank you to Joseph for giving a call out to our group. If you are looking for a FRIENDLY place and a place to share events and ask questions without being attacked come join us https://www.facebook.com/groups/Wildomar.CA/

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  17. From Kevin J Sax 2:03pm 1/18/2015

    Joseph, and others who may be reading this.
    It may appear that I have blocked all of you, but that is not the case.
    I deactivated my FB account temporarily (until I'm ready to return- 3 days?).
    It's probably the best thing to do until things calm. Lots of us are angry and get that.
    I can't stop rumors or lies from being spread, but I can at least let you and everyone
    know the truth, which is, my FB is deactivated and that I am unreachable
    nor able to do any FB functions.
    Simple as that. :)
    Thank you.

    Kevin Sax WIDOMAR FRIENDS AND COMMUNITY (WFAC)

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    1. Well, I only have been reading what my wife has been showing me.

      I'm not really interested in this silly topic. Had my wife, and the community at large, not been disrespected, I wouldn't have bothered wasting people's time with this malarkey.

      I'm not affiliated with any of the groups, and can't see what's there. I'm sorry that his own actions have caused him consternation.

      To see how this started, all a person has to do is read the blog. I don't know how a person can run an open forum like WFAC and then tell people not to post legitimate links in it.

      I was a member of WFAC for about five days. I posted a link to a Press Enterprise article about Martha Bridges and was told I was being a bully since the link included a picture of her (something a poster has NO control over when sharing a link) and the content wasn't patting her on the back.

      Imagine that. I post a link to the "paper of record" for our county, about the deeds that a local was up to, that was costing us much money and wasted time, and that was considered "bullying". That link was removed by mods at WFAC. That is preposterous in a group that has the largest membership in the area... censoring important local news.

      Perhaps three days isn't nearly long enough. Give it three months and really allow for some healing to set in. In the meantime, I have no animus against KJS, and hope he is well. I always enjoy chatting with him when I happen upon him.

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    2. I am not angry and I was the one banned for expressing support of this blogger. I like Kevin and he has a right to his rules. I know from experience as admin of Wildomar Fb group that we struggle with same sorts of thing. I notice that most members join for info and for community. Some debate and disagreement is going to happen, just as it can in any large and diverse group of people. I hope he PM's me when he gets back on fb. Sheila

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  18. Who is angry? What lies? Sounds like teenage drama.

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  19. WFAC will be shutting down.

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    1. I think that's as likely as the moon being made of cheese.

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    2. Turns out Joseph was correct. The admin of that group just wanted to be told how wonderful he is...

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  20. A full disclosure of the reasons are pending.

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  21. Jesus, Kevin is really unstable. He is acting like a 12 year old. Now he says he is leaving the community (I am assuming Wildomar) because a few people disagree with the way he runs a Facebook group? Dude needs to get a grip. Sounds like he has serious mental health issues.

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    1. He's doing it for the attention. He has serious anxiety issues and can barely venture outside the Wildomar city lines. He loves everyone fawning over him on Facebook. It's gives him a reason to live. He won't shut it down. He will come back in a few days and say that so many people want to keep the page, etc. He could easily just hand it over to another admin, but then he wouldn't have everyone kissing his ass. Poor Kevin. No one to share long-haired selfies with now. Well, no one but Ron and he's had enough.

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    2. I think we're starting to veer into "agent orange" land with unnecessarily snarky comments.

      Kevin is a good guy, and whatever his issues are, there is no neighborly reason to attack him. He's crossed no lines that merit such derision.

      Kevin, take it easy, find your equilibrium, and be well.

      All this will pass.

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    3. Oh come on. Are you following his Facebook thread? He could easily bow out and give admin duties to Theresa, who's been an admin for a while. He wants to take the whole group down because he's a giant baby who is sad because a few people called him out for his messiah complex. It would be sad if it wasn't so funny and entertaining. He's a grown man acting like a preteen girl.

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    4. "Anonymous" If you are going to attack Kevin on a personal level, why not reveal who you really are you coward?He is a good man with a good heart. He is my friend who I respect even if I disagree with him on a FB policy.

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    5. I agree with Rob's statement. Kevin is a good guy. Sheila

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  22. He could easily hand over the admin position to plenty of others willing to take on the role but it seems he is doing all this for attention ( like stated in prior post ) He needs to stop acting like a 12 year old school girl that just got made fun of for a ugly dress she wore to school!!!

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  23. can everyone please stop saying negative things about Kevin & his page. I posted my blog on there and this is where we are at! This is rediclulous! I should have respected his page and not post the blog but I thought it was just news about our city that people who can't attend the meeting would like to know.... my bad! Leave Kevin alone...honestly there must be more important things in your life that you should be worrying about. ... this is not one of them.

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  24. To the Anonymous poster(s) above. I'm not sure who you are, but I have some guesses. Any chance we discuss face to face at a place of your choosing?

    And to those who put me through a lot of distress the last few days, what's the plan now?
    Yes I'm very angry and very bitter, but I'm willing to try and work things out.
    I'm prepared to make amends and I'm also prepared to accept the situation as it is.

    Your choice.

    If we don't work this out, then let's just avoid each other, both on the internet, and in public.

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    1. Kevin- you have publicly blamed me as one of the those putting you through distress and that is not fair or correct, how you react to disagreement is not about me- all i did was offer support to a blog. I do think those posting anonymous attacks should use their names but really a community FB group should be about the community and not just one individual, at least in my humble opinion. I like you and wish you the best. but I have seen and dealt this drama before and am fine staying off the roller coaster. Sheila

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    2. oops meant "dealt with this drama". sheila

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    3. Kevin can you explain HOW you are being put through distress? How you are being ridiculed? A few people have issues with the way you manage WFAC. What's the big deal? Managing a FB group isn't all puppies and rainbows. You started the group to have a place where everyone could talk about Wildomar, and it's been successful in doing so. Why not let others post some links? Let OTHER people decide what they want to read. Don't have a personal agenda...let the group decide where it goes.

      Obviously continue to keep profanity away, and try to keep debates from getting too heated...but kicking people off for 3 days is kind of childish, don't you think? Giving Sheila a 3 day time-out seems petty. Adults can debate and disagree and still be friends! But when you whip out the all mighty banhammer it makes people think.

      As for this ridiculous flounce, pull yourself together.

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    4. Kevin,

      I ran out of gas on this topic long ago. I'd love to go through your comment, line by line, but I really don't care one way or the other. In my experience, people that post things as you just did are NOT interested in common ground. If you were, you wouldn't have been so one sided in your assessment of things.

      If you're saying that without some kind of hokey pow wow you're going to avoid my gaze if we bump into each other in public, then I'm not going to try and stop you, but I won't be playing that game. If I see you, I'll be saying hello.

      Time for a little self inventory... and that does NOT involve anyone outside of yourself.

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  25. My 2 cents. Thanks for this blog Joseph. I was wondering what was going on when I read a recent post on WFAC. Am wishing I did my homework a litte bit better before I had left my comment on it. That being said it sounds like folks are moving forward and that is always good.

    And as for your advice about not taking things seriously. ...I can totally identify with that as I know that I am one of those who are super sensitive to words and personal ally deleted a post I started one time because i didn't like the sarcasm being tossed between posters. Debates I like. Sarcasm...not so much. Personal attacks? Hate em. But I am going to try to be more tolerant of such remarks when thrown out in the heat of a debate.

    Best of luck to all

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    1. Hi Courtney,
      I'm with you on the debates/sarcasm/personal attacks too. Though sarcasm in its proper place, when it's not an otherwise serious subject, can be funny.

      We hardly ever posted blogs onto WFAC because it seemed they were always getting deleted. We knew better than to post links to any of the blogs that dealt with the election because I was pretty merciless to one of the candidates. We just didn't realize that meant that even general topic blogs were verboten too.

      A lot of hooey over nothing if you ask me.

      Be well.

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  26. Don't worry about what these anonymous keyboard "warriors" attacking your character. They are pathetic little cowards.

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  27. Kevin started this page to do good in the community. It took off because he is genuine and wants the best for people. When he sees people not being their best he tries to not have that involved in the group discussion since it goes against what he was trying to do with the creation of the group. If you don't like it, don't be on it...simple. There are plenty of other groups for this community and your blog is a place to voice those other opinions. He didn't like what you were doing so he distanced himself....you didn't like what he was doing so you go after him....makes you think!
    Personally I think you hit it on the head when you said "...he won't allow reference to Wildomar Rap" and that upset you. If you see his actions in his own group that he started upsetting, voice it in your blog if you like. Don't be upset because he does not want to be associated with your blog. Pout here all you like though....this is your domain and your playground!

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    1. For about a minute I was going to take your comment apart line by line, but really couldn't care less how far off the mark you are... especially to a typical nameless coward. Anyone that has even the slightest familiarity with the key players in this silly saga know that what you're spouting is Grade A Bullshit. Now if it's ok with you... I'm going to go pout now.

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  28. I was looking at Update number 3 above. Joseph, you don't need to blur my name. I'm okay with it being transparent to your readers. Who was this person in reference to? Was it Doug A. ? If so, I remember tangling with him. I think he and I are at peace now (hope so anyway) Are you two still getting along? I remember when you were walking your dog near Temet and Wanki, and you were telling me how the Christmas Parade on Doug's military truck was a neat moment, but then you said you were quite angry when he didn't give you a ride back to your car and you had to walk quite a ways. I won't mention the other stuff you said in case you two still have a friendship. Thanks for bringing up some old memories. Do you catalog everything? There are people that do that so they can spring a "gotcha" moment. Is that what you are doing here?

    Just a little suggestion. Don't get all worked up. I did, and I'm embarrassed of my actions.

    High five!

    Kevin

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    1. This will all pass, and when we see each other around town I'd prefer to say 'hi' and chat with you than think I should be avoiding one of my neighbors. Be well.

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    2. I am surprised that a blog about fb drama has so many comments. I wish people paid this much attention to the really important things you have blogged about. Some People who say they hate drama always seem to be drawn to it like moths to a flame. Or lookie loos driving by a car accident. Overall I have gotten much amusement from this tempest in a teapot. Sheila

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    3. Very good passive aggressive post by Kevin. A dig wrapped up in a "high five", with a nice little "I'm embarrassed of my actions" comment, without specifying what actions he is embarrassed by. Meanwhile he keeps posting about this drama elsewhere.

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    4. Sheila, my sentiments exactly. People are interested in this nonsense while real things go on their city (state and nation too) and can't be bothered with it.

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  29. We have to get approvals now?

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    1. Kevin,
      I was tired of people taking anonymous potshots at you.

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  30. Yeah, I've got to say, the person who started WFAC is in the middle of a serious Jesus complex. Or maybe it's a God complex. In any event, he has decided he is the sole arbiter of what is good and fair in Wildomar, and if you don't agree with him, you are banned from his page. I didn't even DO anything to him, or say anything in his group, and apparently because of who my friends are, he decided to ban me from his page.

    Good riddance, I say. All this "I'm better than you, and by the way, I need to go pout for a few days," is bullshit.

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    1. I'd prefer it if you anonymous-ians would post your names if you're going to take digs at people. None of us are perfect, and I don't think anyone wanted things to get so far out of hand.

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    2. Joseph, I know which household the anonymous poster is coming from. You may know also, as I'm guessing the comments are providing an IP address.

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    3. My stats do not reveal any IP addresses... and if the addresses were somewhere recorded, I'd have no way to know where the originate from. Such things aren't part of my bailiwick.

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  31. I read this blog when it was originally posted, giggled and moved on. This morning while reading reading WFAC, I noticed a pic that grabbed my attention so I read the thread. It brought me back here and then to several other FB groups where it seems many in Wildomar are losing their minds. I understand being offended and upset at satire. That happens. Some of the comments sprinkled around FB concerning this event are just shy of getting violent. Did we all forget what just happened in Paris at the Charlie Hedbo magazine's headquarters? Some people need to calm down and get some fresh air. The ONLY way to be offended by something written on the internet is to go to the site it's posted on and read it. You pretty much need to do that on your own. Don't go there, you won't read it, you won't be offended, you won't get mad, you won't make near terrorist threats on FB. We all have different ideas on what is or isn't funny. I've been banned from groups for my version of humor. Hack, my entire family was once banned because of posts I made. But just because you do not like someone's satire, there is no reason to post semi violent things. That's not the answer. The answer is to skip what offends you and enjoy your day. Doug A.

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  32. I agree with Doug. Please let's put this past us. I sincerely apologize for any commotion on my part. Let us be peaceful please
    Thank you

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    1. Iris,

      I agree with you. Wildomar has the core of a great community, and we are all part of it. I am not happy that I contributed to any angst that anyone, including you or Kevin, may have experienced over this. Sometimes things get out of hand and take on a life of their own. It's a shame that our paths had to cross this way. If you're ever at a city event that I'm at, you'd see that I'm just a regular guy being a member of the community.

      As a show of good faith, I've removed the image of the kid making a funny face and added something that couldn't be misconstrued as anything negative.

      Peace

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  33. Imagine my surprise today when I see the peaceful and kind Kevin continuing the drama today in two Facebook group. He questioned the sanity and mental health of Joseph repeatedly, and as others wrote hate talk about both Morabitos he continued his poor me routine. Now he claims to know what household anonymous is at. What is he going to do with that information? Why is he obsessed? He is not a small man and his dramatic claims that he might leave Wildomar over words, show he is capable of overreacting. I think the people using their real names are taking a big risk with their personal safety.

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    1. I was told about such posts. There isn't much I can do about such things, and would hate to think that I'd come home one day to a vandalized house, or that I should fear for my safety while out and about. I'm going to assume that a lot of people just like to blow off steam while commenting on the internet, but I agree that going with "anonymous" eliminates that worry from the start.

      The posts you mention that suggest I'm "Unstable" are very funny to me. When shown a couple of them I actually laughed loud enough to wake my dogs. If people were following the news, Jerry Seinfeld indicated that he is also on the Aspergers/Autism spectrum.

      A quote that was sent to me started like this: I'm concerned Joseph may not be in control of himself. I understand he has a condition (not making fun of him - honest) which may be impairing his judgement.

      It's not a "condition" it's a developmental disorder and affects the brain's normal development of social and communication skills. For many, such "skills" can be acquired over time, but it's often with great effort over many years.

      The reason I've put these comments on "moderator hold" is that I'm not interested in allowing the ones that go over the line to be published. FTR no comment has been denied on this thread. Hopefully, there won't be anymore since this topic has been played out.

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  34. Here's kev's post from above -

    "I was looking at Update number 3 above. Joseph, you don't need to blur my name. I'm okay with it being transparent to your readers. Who was this person in reference to? Was it Doug A. ? If so, I remember tangling with him. I think he and I are at peace now (hope so anyway) Are you two still getting along? I remember when you were walking your dog near Temet and Wanki, and you were telling me how the Christmas Parade on Doug's military truck was a neat moment, but then you said you were quite angry when he didn't give you a ride back to your car and you had to walk quite a ways. I won't mention the other stuff you said in case you two still have a friendship. Thanks for bringing up some old memories. Do you catalog everything? There are people that do that so they can spring a "gotcha" moment. Is that what you are doing here?

    Just a little suggestion. Don't get all worked up. I did, and I'm embarrassed of my actions. "

    This post completely boggles my mind. How would he think ANY of update 3.0 is about me? Seriously, that's reaching. Why would he present middle school gossip over an event that was 2-3 years ago? Then to top it off, he suggests he has more dirt and gossip, but will refrain from using it right now in case Joseph and I are still friends. So what if we werent friends anymore? Would he feel free to blabber away like a 11 year old girl going through puberty?

    What possible reason could kev have for dragging up something that was cleared up years ago, shortly after it happened? For the record, EVERYONE walks back to their car, no one gets a ride, which I failed to properly explain to Joseph at the time. He must not have been too pissed, he wrote a very nice blog about the event. Why would kev try to drag me into his dramathon, when he has told me several times he wants nothing to do with me?

    It speaks to how trustworthy he is. Information was shared with him confidentially and he holds onto it ready to use it later as he sees fit. Childish. Nearly as bad as the time he wrote a manifesto about me on his FB page and then banned my entire family. Yes, not only did he ban me, but my wife, who knows nothing about him and only went to that site for community updates. He banned my Eagle Scout son who only intended to use the site to get updates about his Eagle project out there. And, strangely enough, he banned my sister, who he actually called a "dog" because her profile pic was of her puppy.

    So before anyone goes on the kev/Jim Jones defense, ask yourself - is it ever okay to bring up old gossip when you are angry with someone? If it is okay, is that because it happened to me and Joseph and not you and your friend?

    What's the over/under on how long until I'm banned again from his page? And no, I don't keep going back, my friends keep adding me.

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    1. I was wondering how the story of RideGate had gotten back to you. It's a FUNNY story to me. Just this year I mentioned to another person that was in the same boat that same night... we laugh at it. It's what memories are made of, and gives a person something to razz the other person about. I wonder how such a silly story, that I parked in the wrong place, even after you told me what to do (I just didn't listen) ever got around?

      I guess it could have been me, because I thought it was funny... annoying too, but funny just the same. In the end, a lot of hooey this whole episode of drama has proven to be.

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    2. Kevin is just plain crazy. I know you don't want people to veer off into "agent orange" but anyone who periodically claims different people are harassing him has a screw loose. For a grown man to post in a facebook group all his personal soap opera drama in an attempt to get people to feel sorry for him is just pathetic. Many people I have spoken to are afraid to disagree with him for fear of getting kicked out of the group. They want to learn about the community, they like me are in multiple groups, none of which have ever had the admin post so much whiney crybaby stuff.. Rest assured, he will go crazy paranoid again. For those that claim he does so much for the community, please give examples that don't include a admining FB group(since there are tons of them in every city in America) or scrubbing graffiti. His posts in the group show just how needy he is. Plenty of people are afraid to speak their mind in that strange group, those that do get kicked out, he should let Theresa run the group, she is the one with the personality and she has a life so she doesn't obsess over every thread. I am staying anonymous because I like being in the group just to screenshot all his goofy posts and share with my grown up friends.

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    3. Regarding the anonymous comment above. Thank you for the input. Often it's very difficult for us to analyze one's self, so thank you for helping me help myself. You stated I boot everyone whom I disagree with. Respectfully, I disagree. There are many on the WFAC whom have big differences and opinions than I. That said, I still like them and appreciate having them on the page. People whom are booted are usually ones which use profanity, attack others, or just plain upset the other members. What started this big incident were members endorsing the Wildomar Rap page. The Wildomar Rap bundles local news (good!) with antagonism (bad!).
      Does the WFAC endorse the local litigants suing Wildomar?-No. Does the WFAC want to attack our local litigants?-No to that as well. Why?- because the bickering is aggravating and gets peoples' blood boiling. The WFAC was created to unite the community. If people want to join the WFAC to cause distress will eventually be removed. We're still a somewhat small group (currently 2,810+ members) so we try to make the most amount of people happy as we can. Some just can't be made happy. That's a given. Maybe we'll continue to grow, or maybe we have maxed out. We'll see. Thanks for the constructive criticism. -Kevin

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    4. Come on over to the Wildomar group! https://www.facebook.com/groups/Wildomar.CA/ Sorry just had to put in another pitch for our group! This has a lot of comments so I figure you are getting lots of hits to this blog. Sheila.

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    5. I'm still wondering the meaning of kev's words - " I won't mention the other stuff you said in case you two still have a friendship. " Is there more gossip to be told? How hurtful is it? Will it be leaked out? Who will have to pay the price for the damage it causes? Why is this information being so closely guarded? Is this how it was handled in middle school? The world wonders.............

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  35. I wonder about a man who is so worried about anonymous comments he has to keep responding to them, and he only responds to the anonymous ones. I hear he keeps posting on face book about this silly stuff. He is a bit scary and his obsession with this blog and this issue shows me that Joe is more correct than wrong about him. Maybe his friends can help him through this.

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    1. I can't imagine how this is still a topic. This is more than a WEEK since a 'throw away' blog was published. I keep hearing reports that I'm still getting brought up on various facebook groups. Great, have at it. By all means, squander some of your waking hours on me, I love it.

      This blog has had more page hits than any other to date for WR. Last count is 1830 with 91 comments. Imagine if even a tenth of that effort was put towards the Parks Masterplan Meeting and blog. Nope... but facebook drama about NOTHING, gets people in a tizzy.

      Reminder to all. You do NOT have to read what I write. You don't have to watch the videos, and you don't have to have your eyes burn by looking at my mean spirited cartoons and graphics. The Patch is awaiting you. Get your local news there if you must.

      This comment wasn't directed at the previous anonymous commenter, it was just a shout out to any that may bump into it that it applies to.

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