Thursday, May 14, 2026

• City Council Meeting May 2026

The meeting began with a statement from Mayor Carlos Marquez discussing the social media dust up regarding items in last month's Planning Commission agenda. 

City Leadership Addresses Planning Commission Process and Rural Animal Setbacks

In the most recent city council meeting, Mayor Carlos Marquez and the City Manager took time during the opening remarks to address community concerns regarding a recent Planning Commission item.

Clarifying the Legislative Process

Mayor Marquez emphasized that the item in question... which sparked significant public debate, was initiated by city staff for a Planning Commission meeting, not by the City Council or the Planning Commissioners themselves. He clarified that the Commission serves an advisory role, and any final policy changes would require a full public hearing and City Council action before being implemented.

Acknowledging Communication Gaps

The city leadership acknowledged that the item was scheduled for a "special" meeting, which legally allowed for a shorter notice period than a regularly scheduled meeting.

The Issue: The shorter notice period did not provide residents with adequate time to review the proposal and participate meaningfully.

The Fix: Moving forward, the City Manager is implementing internal changes to avoid using special meetings for major community-impacting items. The goal is to ensure earlier and clearer communication with residents.

Focus on Rural Character and Large Animals

A major point of concern for residents involved setbacks for large animals in rural zones. The Mayor announced that the Community Development Director will be bringing back the setbacks previously adopted during the general plan update. The administration’s stated goal is to avoid overly restrictive rules for large animals while maintaining the community's compatibility.

Commitment to Transparency

The City Manager apologized for the "scare" caused by the proposal's appearance on the staff report and reiterated that there is no desire to change the equestrian or rural nature of the area. He noted that the community's quick response is a sign that the public is engaged and watching, which helps keep local government accountable.

I didn't know if the matter was going to be addressed or not, but I have to say that was a great example of leadership in a contentious time. No running from it. No excuse making. Just ownership, contrition, and remedy. 

Watch the short video and judge for yourself.

The tale of two public comments

There were two public comments on the issues the Mayor addressed. I loved the first and shook my head at the second.

"Why?" You may ask...

The first speaker, from her own words, "I was prepared to come with 'guns ablazin', but I will not do that, I accept your apology."

The second speaker started off pretty much the same way, but then decided to give her prepared speech anyway. Essentially accusing the city of "silently ripping away" her property rights. 

We all have the right to say whatever we'd like, but maybe reach out to the people you're about to lambast first, and learn how to edit on the fly when your prepared speech is obviously off the mark to the point that the dart didn't even hit the wall the board is hanging on. 

Your rights were never in jeopardy 

There was no way the items in the April planning commission agenda were going to be passed by the planning commission in the first place. 

Please stop insulting the members of our planning commission.

The commission is made up of five people who are homeowners in Wildomar and take their charge very seriously. Behind them is the city council, who also would never have let such setbacks be adopted, EVER!

I've heard the same rationale as to how the setbacks got to the planning commission agenda from our city manager, and though I accept it, I think it's a blemish that will take a very long time to fully fade away. Let's move on. 

Presentations: Shelly and Michael Wiggs. 

Actually, this part of the meeting was to honor retiring LEUSD teachers from Wildomar, but I'm keying in on Michael and Shelly because I have known them (we're family friends) for twenty years. 

They both started at Donald Graham Elementary when it opened back in the 1990s. They've each put in 36 years and are truly great people. Exactly the type we'd all want teaching our children. 

Back row: Mayor Protem Dustin Nigg, Ashlee DePhillippo, Joseph Morabito, Bridgette Moore. Front Row: Mayor Carlos Marquez, Shelly Wiggs, Michael Wiggs, Mrs. Brady (WES), and  James Judziewicz.

Photo courtesy Samantha Virrey

We also said goodbye to Officer Baca 

She has been part of the RSO Lake Elsinore Station as long as I've been paying attention. Happy retirement. 

Officer Baca is in the middle.

Other Public Comments 

It's so inspirational to see the youth participating, not an easy feat even for adults. Annabelle spoke about the historic bell at Wildomar Elementary, and Stella spoke about her idea of a Wildomar museum. 
Here is a link to the video where her comments begin

Annabelle (behind the microphone) and Stella to her right. 

Consent Calendar

Item 1.19 $459K for a Specific Plan of "Old Town".

For me, this was the most interesting part of the agenda.

I want to say that I was pleased with the way this item was handled by the council. I didn't count any of us who were sanguine with it being on the consent calendar. 

In the end, this was tabled for the next meeting, where there will be a proper presentation, and the public will have more notice so they can weigh in. 

This item should have been a general business item with a full presentation, not a "routine matter" found on the consent calendar.

Though I'd love to see a specific plan as described, I'm not going to vote to approve any (serious) money for the endeavor. 

I, too, was prepared to come with 'guns ablazin' on this item, but once I saw the direction the council was heading, I recognized it was better to 'keep my powder dry'  and save my A-game for when it comes back to the dais (which is said to be next month).

Stay tuned and please be ready to weigh in on this, be it in person at the next meeting, or by sending in an email with your thoughts. 

View the item on video with this link

The full meeting video is below.


Sunday, May 10, 2026

• City Council Meeting Preview

I don't usually do previews on city council meetings beyond my customary bullet points that list the items.

There are only two items on the regular agenda: 



3.2 Streetlight Program Feasibility Analysis and Phase 1 Streetlight Project


These are fairly routine, straightforward items. What I find most interesting is in the Consent Calendar. 

The Consent Calendar is billed as: 

CONSENT CALENDAR

All matters listed under the Consent Calendar are considered routine and will be enacted by one roll call vote. There will be no separate discussion of these items unless members of the City Council, the Public, or Staff request to have specific items removed from the Consent Calendar for separate discussion and/or action.


I'm sorry, but a couple of the items in the April 2026 Consent Calendar agenda seem a bit outside of my definition of "routine". 


Specifically item 1.19 

Professional Service Agreement with Albert A. Webb & Associates (WEBB) for planning and environmental services for creation of the Old Town Specific Plan

If you go read the agenda item, it comes with a lovely 70 page PDF that is easy to get lost in... except for the tip I recently got about using AI to break down exhaustively long documents (Thanks RC). 

Of that, well more than half the file is fluff that doesn't pertain to Wildomar, and the images they submit of other areas may be nice and all, but they didn't do anything for me. 
The image was blurry, so I upgraded the font in the legend so it was more legible. Gotta love how they notched out Gina's house. lol

Staff recommends: Approve a supplemental appropriation for Fund 110 (Cannabis DA) in the amount of $459,225... (if that money is going to be earmarked, it's going to be going to parks)

I don't begrudge people high-dollar payouts, they put a lot of time into learning their craft, but I do not see value to the city even at 1/10th that price (okay, maybe 1/5th)
I had this table made from the information on page 23 of their presentation.

According to my AI pal, Claude, there were challenges that WEBB identified in their proposal.

Key Challenges They Identify

  • Alquist-Priolo Fault Zone — most of the project area sits in an earthquake fault zone, which limits where buildings can go
  • Palomar Road — the main corridor has large overhead power transmission lines and is planned as a wide arterial road, which conflicts with the goal of a walkable, human-scaled Old Town feel

Hmmm... "will require expensive fault studies"I wonder if they consider their proposed work to be "expensive," too? 

I'm not going to go further into this, it's Mother's Day, and there's a lot to do, but I thought you'd like to know about this...

...oh, and another 51 houses in a place that will be known as Mission Hills - Como.
I'm not sure where the hills are and I'm not sure where the mission is, but it's almost as cool as the street name in Windsong called Empire Penguin.

The proposed development includes a 51-lot single-family residential subdivision, including 6 very low income, 6 moderate income, and 3 unrestricted ADUs, utilizing the affordable ADUs for a density bonus.

This hasn't come to the Planning Commission yet, and according to the information in the presentation (viewable at the link below), such a meeting date hasn't been determined yet. 



Here's what is in the staff report: 

BACKGROUND: On December 19, 2025, the Planning Division received a formal application package (PLN 25- 0085) from Oliver Investments to establish the “Mission Hills Wildomar” project. The proposed project includes a 51-lot single-family residential subdivision, and development of park and open space facilities, walls and fences, and necessary infrastructure. The project will include 15 ADUs, including 6 very low income ADUs, 6 moderate income ADUs, and 3 unrestricted ADUs, utilizing the affordable ADUs for a density bonus. The Proposed Project requires environmental documentation and analysis under California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) for the proposed subdivision and development review entitlements. 



When are these out of town firms going to figure out to use actual photos of the place they're looking to work in? At least this one doesn't come with a "fiscal impact" to the city budget. 

FISCAL IMPACT: The cost associated with preparation of the environmental documentation is the sole responsibility of the Applicant, thus, there is no fiscal impact to the City’s General Fund. 



Don't be mistaken. I'm a staunch property owner's rights type of person. That goes for being able to use your property as you see fit, within the community codes and ordinances, and the same applies to landowners wanting to build on their property.  

And if you're dismayed at more development, keep in mind that the State of California has passed countless dozens of laws since the short time I've been on the Wildomar City Council that have stripped away local control. 

An election for Governor is happening this year. Will you be looking for more of the same, or are you ready to see a change in Sacramento? 










Thursday, April 23, 2026

• Planning Commission Meeting April 2026 or Don't OC My Wildomar

This is how local government is supposed to work. It's of the people, by the people, and for the people. With apologies to the community for the wheels coming off the tracks in the first place. 

Left to right: Community Development Director Robert Flores, Assistant City Attorney Joaquin Vazquez, Commission Vice Chair Charles Golden, Commission Chair Nolan King, Commissioners Rene Cambero, Eric Filar, and John Hume. 

After a full day in Sacramento, I queued up the Planning Commission meeting on YouTube and stayed up past midnight, taking it all in. 

Know this, the city would rather I not blog about such things in the first place, and if they're being honest, that would extend down to my colleagues, too. 

Thing is, I got to the City Council by way of telling it like it is with this blog in the first place, and when I stop that'll be the day to replace me.

First: Kudos to the Commissioners

If staff chooses to read this, please wear a fireproof suit or don't complain about singes later. 

I've spoken with many of the commissioners over time. I always encourage them to remember the pecking order. 

The residents, especially the ones who vote, are the ones who have the ultimate say in the direction the city goes in. 
Not so much that City Council appointments are how they got there, but that the City Council is chosen by the voters... the residents of Wildomar. 

The residents, the people who call Wildomar 'home' are the ones with the ultimate power.

If you ever suspect that any of us has forgotten that basic fact, do not hesitate to remind us. The best place would be at a city council meeting, though I do understand the allure of social media (it's much easier to post things from the comfort of one's home or car)

There were many public speakers at the planning commission meeting, and it was good to see such passion. Sadly, an uncommon feature in Wildomar for many years now. 

The idea for this came from Christine Salcedo and Anna Whitlock. Sorry, Will, I know you hate AI images, but I was in a hurry. 😅

If I can also be so bold as to suggest that [some of] you need to know what you're talking about when you are on the march with torches and pitchforks. 

Seriously, there is so much laughably off-the-mark nonsense that I see on Facebook, I often wonder if some people (you know who they are) are just trolling for laughs, or trying to upset the more trusting members of the community.

Please take a moment to gather the facts before accusing the city council, planning commission, or city staff of malfeasance. We're here because we love Wildomar and have put ourselves in the firing line as we work for the common good. 

Just ask any of us for clarification before torching us online. If, after we've given you more information on a matter, and you're still ready to storm the castle, ok, at least now you're better prepared for the task at hand. 

Back to what I remind all the commissioners: You're not there to be a rubber stamp, especially when there are controversial items on the agenda. 

You are in charge of the planning commission, and if you don't like what you're presented, absolutely pepper staff with questions. Plus, just as a matter of fact, most of staff do not live or pay property tax in Wildomar, but you do, and you are the gatekeepers.

If you don't like what you're hearing, even after explanations, DO NOT BE APOLOGETIC about being against the item. 

Do so in a collegial manner, be courteous to staff and the other commissioners, but if you've done your homework ahead of the meeting, and you think the item should be voted down — then vote it down, and be specific during your comments why you've voted that way. 

As you saw with this item, the residents appreciate that you're there, protecting the community's best interests.

There was no grand plan to remove large animals from Wildomar 

I have a high level of confidence in Wildomar's staff. They are very professional and well-trained in their specialties. That doesn't preclude them from "getting out too far over their skis" from time to time.

No one is perfect, and other than learning that the community is still engaged and ready to respond, no damage was done. 

Below is a transcription of the Wildomar Community Development Director's opening comment:

"Good evening, everybody. My name is Robert Flores, Community Development Director here with the City of Wildomar. 

Before we get into the staff report for item 2.1, I want to inform everybody that the modifications to the animal keeping section of the development code that were originally part of this ordinance are no longer part, and thereby not being considered under agenda item 2.1.

Briefly, I want to explain that the changes to the animal keeping section were driven by my staff due to recent code enforcement cases relating to animal quantities and also keeping violations.

However, we heard you, we heard the community, and determined that it was best to pull those changes out of the proposed ordinance to obtain community feedback and evaluate it, and then determine what the best next steps are and the best way to move forward."

Using a tennis reference, this agenda item was basically an unforced error, which I guarantee that staff would like to have back.

They don't call government "sausage making" for nothing, and there are going to be errors during the process, there just are. 

There are several layers to the process. The very first line is the planning commission, which is comprised of five local residents appointed by the City Council. Each member selects one... and you, the voters, elect the members. 

Also in the mix are the residents. Most are busy living their lives, and trust that the elected city council will be making the right decisions. 

There are some (though I'd like to see dozens more) who do go over the agendas and attend meetings. They are also there to point out matters of concern when they spot something.

Be assured, this was dealt with at the soonest possible point once the troublesome item made it to the agenda. 

Wildomar Rap opinion time


Trying to stay within the small box afforded by the very restrictive Brown Act, I can speak for myself and say that we just had an exhaustive couple of years putting together an updated General Plan. 

I understand that there are regular updates to our codes that the State mandates we adopt, so that part of the process is basically a 'rubber stamp' at the business end of a proverbial gun pointed at us by Sacramento.

However, as long as I'm a member of the city council, for discretionary things, it's going to take a 'pitch for the angels' to get me to agree to any, if not all, of the suggested changes that currently go before the planning commission or city council. 

I understand the desire to streamline a process, but we're not going to streamline things to such a point that local oversight, also known as "local control," is forfeited.

That's how I read many of the proposed changes, and it's a nonstarter for me.

Below is a link to the complete video.


Last, and definitely least... 

This is what I saw when I arrived at city hall at 10pm (to drop off the city vehicle), and later had it confirmed that they were up during the meeting.

I'm going to go with a simple, poorly-timed comedy of errors that had nothing to do with the planning commission meeting.

There is NO WAY that staff intentionally prevented parking at the council chambers on a night that a large crowd was expected. 






Friday, April 10, 2026

• City Council Meeting April 2026

The meeting began with a couple of proclamations (an Eagle Scout and Donate Life), an introduction of the new Fire Chief, Robert Fish, and Wildomar Battalion Chief, Shawn Burris, followed by a League of California Cities (Cal Cities) update from the Riverside County division Public Affairs Manager, Jesse Ramirez. (See meeting video at bottom of blog for full details)

There were three big takeaways from the meeting.

1) Wildomar Elementary's Stella's public comment

She spoke about the things she likes about Wildomar and Wildomar Elementary School, and then spoke about the desire to see a Wildomar Museum come to town.

Hey Historical Society, I think she's speaking your language. 

2) Community Development Update

I highlighted many of the slides from this presentation in a preview blog for this meeting. It was a somewhat shorter part of the meeting than I'd anticipated.

The presentation was about 6 minutes, and the question and answer portion was about another 6 minutes. 

I had questions regarding Walmart, Tres Lagos, and Camelia Townhomes. 

Let's Go Down The List
1) 
Walmart

Community Development Director Robert Flores went over entitlements (see video below for full exchange. Q&A begins at the 6:10 mark).

 "Entitlements are usually issued by the city and the property owner... through the entitlement that they receive, they have the ability, if the entitlement has not expired or if they meet all the conditions of approval, and they build the project in accordance with what was approved... they have the ability to build the project as approved. Unless the city revokes the permit for some reason" [04:46]


Q: On Revoking Entitlements

  • Joseph Morabito: "You had said... 'unless the city revokes for some reason'... I'm assuming that those must be extraordinary reasons?"

  • CDD: "There are particular findings we have to make... in order to revoke an entitlement; it's either that they're not complying with it, or they're not meeting the conditions of approval, or they're just not operating or using the permit as envisioned and as approved." 

  • Joseph Morabito:  "So, a preponderance of comments on a Facebook post is not enough to stop it." 

Everyone at City Hall has been watching the responses on Facebook. Personally, I've answered many different comments on Facebook, and some through email or in person meetings.

The facts since 2015 have always been that the project is a done deal. 

One that I supported then and that I support now

When I announced that Walmart was going to finally get off its derriere and use its entitlements, I was somewhat taken aback by the comments.

To keep things in perspective: The approval vote was done back when today's high school seniors were still preschoolers. 

The video below is from February 2015. This is the council discussion before the Walmart vote. It has 32 views over all that time. 


I'm one who always gives the residents the straight answers as I know them. That seems to rankle some. They think I'm not nice enough (or something). 

I'm very nice, but I'm not going to lie to you, and I have very little patience with grown adults who push misinformation, needlessly upsetting the community on social media.

It's an election year and I could play it safe, or I could be the type of elected official you want representing you. 

The one who asks questions, gets answers, and tells it to you straight... even when the answers aren't what you want to hear.

2) Camelia Townhomes (163 attached condos)

The key for the community here is when the road work will be done. When it's complete, Palomar will connect to Jefferson and Washington will T into Palomar at a traffic signal. 

No dates as to when that will occur, but it will be before Camelia is granted rights of occupancy. 

This is an image I used back in 2017. The orange circle is the location of the future T intersection. Most of the homes on the left side of the image have been built as of 2026.

3) Tres Lagos phase 3

I asked if there was going to be any further road improvements (to Catt) and though the answer was 'no', the road is already being fixed.

Though I'd have liked to have seen that done by the developer, we all know about the special status of these types of SB35 projects that can, essentially, do anything they want with no requirements for approval that every other development would face. The bad part of Catt Rd is being redone as I'm typing. 

Ok, I mean the "really bad part" from where Tres Lagos ends and the stop sign at Hidden Springs.

Rough grading has occurred, and they're looking for permit for precise grading at this point. It sounds as if the developers are still looking for funding before they can start building phase 3. 

I inquired about their perimeter wall and if they'll get it in before the next rainy season. The usual order of things starts with perimeter walls going up before the rest of the construction, but there are no timetables at this point. 


3) Wildomar Cemetery Master Plan Update: Veterans and First Responders Memorial Stakeholder Engagement Workshop

This took up the lion's share of the three-hour meeting. 

It began with a brief presentation and then the original idea was to leave the dais for the workshop before getting into deeper opinions. 

Here is the location of all the cemetery land. Pay no attention to one of those street names. 

I try to stay away from quoting my colleagues for obvious reasons, so I'll just sum up what I got from this part of the meeting and suggest that you watch this item on the video if you'd like details.

In short, all five members of the city council are interested in having an official Veterans Memorial, but the level of enthusiasm for it being part of the cemetery (currently in the gravel parking lot of the ball fields to the east), varied greatly.

Cities can have more than one such memorial in town, and though one at the cemetery isn't a bad idea, I'd rather have "The Veterans Memorial" in a high traffic area. 

I'm not sanguine about either option.

I've been to these workshops many times in the past. Both as a general member of the public and a city councilman, and I can say with a high degree of confidence after participating in the workshop that NOTHING is going to happen anytime soon.

I'd be stunned if something demonstrative happened in less than five years... even ten, for that matter.


(For the record, I left my Cheerios at home. Inside joke you'll understand if you watch the video)

If you're going to watch the complete video, the item begins at the 1:35:00 mark of the video below.


Friday, April 3, 2026

• City Council Meeting Preview April 2026

If you're interested in hearing the facts about various development projects wending their way through the Wildomar city machine, I strongly urge you to make it a point to watch the coming Community Development Department & Development Update staff presentation that will be coming in the first half of the meeting.

Your other option, one I'd suggest avoiding, is to get misinformation from people on Facebook.

Slides from the coming presentation are already available to review. Here are a few that I pulled to share. 


Phases 1 and 2 are basically complete at this point, and phase 3 isn't far behind. 

This project has caused a lot of recent consternation due to incorrect information being circulated on Facebook though it was a done deal back when Obama was still in the White House. If you'd like to hear some facts, tune in.

You can see the rooftops from the freeway as you're leaving Lake Elsinore. This is another SB 35 Low-Income housing special, where they were allowed to cram a crazy number of units into an entirely unfit spot, and the city was barred by Sacramento from having any discretionary opinions on it. 

This is going to turn into a living hell for those who live near it. 


Camelia Townhomes caused a big ruckus back in 2017. The council chambers were jammed with people (mostly from Murrieta) for both the planning commission and city council meetings. 

Link to one of many 2017 blogs covering this.
https://wildomarrap.blogspot.com/2017/08/camelia-townhouse-project-slated-for.html
Remember, these are For Sale units, not apartments of any type. 

Unless you've driven past this, it's not easy to see much movement from Wildomar Trail to this point.

This is the final slide in the deck, but this is a department update, so it won't come with public comments attached to it. If you have questions you'd like addressed by staff during this item, you can email them to the city clerk, asking her to forward them to the Community Development Department. 

jmorales@wildomar.gov

You can also send any questions to the city council members, too. My email is jmorabito@wildomar.gov.

I won't be looking for questions on Facebook, so to ensure that your questions get addressed, please use email.

There is also a consent calendar item of interest, but I imagine it'll be brought up during the Community Development Department & Development Update already mentioned.

 1.11 Parcel Map No. 36612 (Westpark Promenade) Subdivision Improvement Agreement

191 housing units that were approved well before Wildomar Rap was even a twinkle in my eye... but it's finally starting to move forward. 

Located just north of Clinton Keith on the east side of the freeway. 

Here is a link I found online that goes into more details from the developer's POV. 

https://www.wdland.com/westpark-promenade

 







Saturday, March 21, 2026

• Ever Wanted To Report An Abandoned Car?

Unless it's you with the piece of crap car that you've been storing on a neighborhood street, the answer is a resounding: YES, there is an eyesore on my street that I'd like gone, how do I get the city to look at it?

If you're really lucky, you may have more than one classic like this on your street.

The city is currently transitioning to a See-Click-Fix type of phone app that will work for any type of issue/concern in town that you may have... illegally parked cars are but one of many options. 

►What is See-Click-Fix? 
It is a non-emergency communication platform that connects residents directly with city departments. 

Instead of calling a general line and hoping you get the right person, the app uses your phone’s GPS and camera to route the issue exactly where it needs to go.
We've been hearing about this since Fall of last year, and the city is getting close to rolling it out (before the end of the fiscal year, which ends June 30th). 
I'm just taking a wild guess at the possible name and artwork that will be attached. I can only hope it would be something awesome and memorable, like the Wildomar Wonder Button, fingers crossed! 
What They Typically Cover:
  • Public Works: Potholes, broken streetlights, sidewalk cracks, and fallen tree limbs.

  • Code Enforcement: Illegal dumping, overgrown weeds/tall grass, and graffiti.

  • Animal Control: Deceased animals on the road or stray reports.

  • Parking & Vehicles:  It’s used for abandoned vehicles or cars illegally parked (blocking sidewalks, parked on lawns, or blocking fire hydrants).

Key Features of the App:

  • Photo Evidence: You can snap a photo of the offending car or pothole, which is automatically timestamped and geotagged.

  • Transparency: You can see a map of other reports in Wildomar. If your neighbor already reported that old truck on the corner, you’ll see it on the map and can "follow" the fix.

  • Status Updates: The app notifies you when a city staffer acknowledges the report and when the "ticket" is closed/resolved.

Many cities in our region use See-Click-Fix. I can't tell if San Clemente is just a new client of theirs, or if Lake Elsinore happens to have a lot of engaged residents. 

I'm sure there will be a grand rollout when it's ready, complete with a unique name that suits Wildomar. 

In the meantime, you still have the city website that you can use to report that old jalopy. I keep a shortcut to the exact page on my phone. 


Both the computer and phone versions are similar enough. The following screenshots are from my phone.

From the city's website you hit:
There is then a warning that you're about to leave the warm embrace of the city's website. Not sure why that's necessary, but it's there. 

When you see the red button, you know that you're nearly there.

There are several category options under "description" including: construction, graffiti, health & safety, homeless, other, trash & debris, vacant buildings, vehicles, and weeds.


Just to keep things anonymous and fun, let's use the future Walmart as the location. 



Once you've selected the location, you can either add your contact info or hit "yes" to have it be an anonymous submission (that's what I do). 

I'm looking forward to the Wildomar Wonder Button, or whatever moniker it's given. Which reminds me, I'll be asking how the name was chosen when the rollout occurs, whenever that happens to be.